QCMA Drift Event: Friday, July 3 IS ON !

240sxy wrote:

Mr.Practical wrote:

I understand it was a drag car, he told us that. but 100km/h in first gear? That seems a little impractical for what he would use it for.
Plus, you would need a shit load of low end torque to do that. That would be like msot cars starting in 3rd gear

have you seen the car? have you driven or even ridden in it? you remind me of skeptical mustang owners.

corvettes do 100+ in 1st gear, and yet they do high 11-high 12 sec 1/4's.

I just found it hard to believe.
a corvetee has one thing typical 4 cyl engines do not have, and that is usually low end torque.
Granted, I have never been in his car, nor ever seen it. I just found it more than a little hard to believe, that is all, even if the car did have a sr21 in it

Moneypits wrote:

so wait a second lemme get this straight

if im part of an affiliated club such as BMW club, Corvette Club, QCMA etc.

i can rent the track for 15$ for 2 hours? by myself or does the whole club need to come.

cause if not hell if i was into drifting id just go rent it for 15 bucks which is like half the price and drift for 2 straight hours without having to wait for everyone and paying all that money to go like twice be it Auto X or drifting

you can just go by yourself. It makes way more sense, especially if you don't care about being competitive with other people. That way you could spend time adjusting and dialing in your suspension, learning specific corners, you can make the track however you want. Plus, at half the cost of a QCMA event, its hard to beat. Or you could jsut pay $20 fora BMW club membership, and you get racing free all year, and since they usually have less than 10 people show up, its just continuous driving.

Mr.Practical wrote:

Moneypits wrote:

so wait a second lemme get this straight

if im part of an affiliated club such as BMW club, Corvette Club, QCMA etc.

i can rent the track for 15$ for 2 hours? by myself or does the whole club need to come.

cause if not hell if i was into drifting id just go rent it for 15 bucks which is like half the price and drift for 2 straight hours without having to wait for everyone and paying all that money to go like twice be it Auto X or drifting

you can just go by yourself. It makes way more sense, especially if you don't care about being competitive with other people. That way you could spend time adjusting and dialing in your suspension, learning specific corners, you can make the track however you want. Plus, at half the cost of a QCMA event, its hard to beat. Or you could jsut pay $20 fora BMW club membership, and you get racing free all year, and since they usually have less than 10 people show up, its just continuous driving.

i was part of the bmw club but if everyones complaining of price why not just do that?

my thoughts exactly.... But chances are, they don't know about it

While its unfortunate that many of you are holding QCMA and its many hard working volunteers responsible for taking the "fun" out of your drift or Autox experience, you must understand that the insurance and litigation implications of holding such events has become more strict in the last 10 years than anyone thought possible. The QCMA exec and track owners are all "on the line" so to speak to follow the rules set set forth by ASN and FIA. Failing to do this can make them all PERSONALLY responsible.

Event entry fees are a direct reflection of these insurance implications. 10 years ago we could run for $10 - it's a change in the times and we have to "pay to play".

As for spectating in the field - it's flat out not safe, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiP20QvBIOs

The track has designated areas for people who wish to come out and support/watch/ be entertained. The "old guys" Adrian refered to are simply acting on the clubs' and tracks' behalf to preserve the sport and safety for everyone. Sometimes it's just not "warm and fuzzy" enough for everyone.

I urge those of you with further questions regarding why or how the QCMA conducts business to join the club for the monthly meetings held the first Tuesday of every month at Triffon's Pizza on University Park. Or to post those questions on our website forum directly so thay be answered in a prompt manner.

Oldbugger wrote:

While its unfortunate that many of you are holding QCMA and its many hard working volunteers responsible for taking the "fun" out of your drift or Autox experience, you must understand that the insurance and litigation implications of holding such events has become more strict in the last 10 years than anyone thought possible. The QCMA exec and track owners are all "on the line" so to speak to follow the rules set set forth by ASN and FIA. Failing to do this can make them all PERSONALLY responsible.

Event entry fees are a direct reflection of these insurance implications. 10 years ago we could run for $10 - it's a change in the times and we have to "pay to play".

As for spectating in the field - it's flat out not safe, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiP20QvBIOs

The track has designated areas for people who wish to come out and support/watch/ be entertained. The "old guys" Adrian refered to are simply acting on the clubs' and tracks' behalf to preserve the sport and safety for everyone. Sometimes it's just not "warm and fuzzy" enough for everyone.

I urge those of you with further questions regarding why or how the QCMA conducts business to join the club for the monthly meetings held the first Tuesday of every month at Triffon's Pizza on University Park. Or to post those questions on our website forum directly so thay be answered in a prompt manner.

no one was 'blaming' qcma. everyone understands that there are rules and regulations to follow

what you should have actually posted was:

"on behalf of the qcma,i would like to apologize for the actions of our former president who ran the drift events, failing to recognize insurance policies and let crowds of people onto the track in the first place"

therefore we wouldnt be at a situation where we feels it "sucks" or our "fun" has be stripped from us. it shouldnt have happened. ever.

so coming back to what i said earlier, maybe people should blame qcma for voting for niall, or because there are rules and regulations to follow, and that didnt happen.

everything would be fine and dandy if ryan guadet was hosting the events.

from drifters-for drifters

Haha Pwnd

agreed tho, after letting the rules be broken once no one would want to return to the old rules when it was allowed to go on for so long

I am glad the QCMA has stepped up to this and that they are actually responding on here. Although if we have legitament complaints, we should step up as well and bring them to a formal meeting.

Yes, the price for everything has been increasing, insurance, gas, track rentals, and what not, but look at what you are getting for it. You get a relatively safe environment to go drive as fast as you would like(well I think its supposed to be under 80 with QCMA's insurance). Since when has motorsports been cheap? autox is relatively cheap compared to go karts, and cheaper than drag racing.

Yes, there have been multiple complaints about how it has been run in the past, but there are alot of stress on the people putting it on. Think of it this way, if you were holding a party at a house that wasn't yours, would you want 30 guys(actully no one wants 30 guys at a party, so lets say 20 girls and 10 guys), and they were all new to the whole party business, would you want them goofing around out in the nieghbours lawns and running around in the streets? changes are, no. If you were throwing that party, you'd probably be everywhere getting mad and pissy with the drunken bastards. I know thats how somepeople get, and I can understand why.
anyways, back from my analogy, no one is going to take us seriously if all we do it bitch on the internet

whose bitching on the internet?

im voicing my opinion, i dont plan on becoming a member, and i dont plan on voicing my opinion at the meetings either.

qcma can run it however they want, and if it appeals to me, ill go. thats how it has always been, and thats how it will always be for me.

im not losing out on anything by not going to events. thats $ in my pocket.

I am in no position to apologize on behalf of qcma in any way shape or form, sorry.

As for QCMA and our current/past executive and the issue at hand. The majority of the membership is unaware of what has transpired as the meeting is not until this coming tuesday, I encourage those of you with concerns to meet with the membership at this time or at the very least address them with someone who can be there on your behalf.

speak of rule enforcement, Its been a problem for years as the club grows and develops, the issue of spectators in the field was addressed after the first few events at the meeting and a decision was made based on issues arising from people in the field and behavior . Now unfortunately I cannot comment on who or what actions they are relating to specifically as I am not aware.

QCMA EXEC is no walk in the park... Its hard enough to find people willing to step up, if any of QCA members are interested in being part of the solution - The VP position is being filled this tuesday.

I don't see why the event was canceled even if there was like 5 drivers, you guys have profited off of every past event.
Its the least you coulda done for those guys that make the 2 hour journey just to attend and support the events. I feel bad for them.

For me its not even the rules, its the bitching. Especially autox, takes the fun out of it when many of the higher ups, are yelling at everyone and freaking out about everything. Takes the FUN out of something we all do for FUN.

And as for the the standing out in the field, i thought by paying and signing a waver we are then responsible for ourselves? and you obviously have to be smart about, every time people were standing out in the field and there was an "issue" they were standing in place were the cars were not even running. The cars had to turn away from the standing point. I might as well bring my mom out there to yell at me when she thinks im in danger, we pay, we sign wavers,I just want to know at what point do we get to be treated as adults?

Sorry if this offends anyone, but im kinda ticked and don't even enjoy going anymore, which is a problem because this stuff is important to me

Jhall wrote:

For me its not even the rules, its the bitching. Especially autox, takes the fun out of it when many of the higher ups, are yelling at everyone and freaking out about everything. Takes the FUN out of something we all do for FUN.

And as for the the standing out in the field, i thought by paying and signing a waver we are then responsible for ourselves? and you obviously have to be smart about, every time people were standing out in the field and there was an "issue" they were standing in place were the cars were not even running. The cars had to turn away from the standing point. I might as well bring my mom out there to yell at me when she thinks im in danger, we pay, we sign wavers,I just want to know at what point do we get to be treated as adults?

Sorry if this offends anyone, but im kinda ticked and don't even enjoy going anymore, which is a problem because this stuff is important to me

well said

SInce I'm NOT a QCMA executive member... these are not necc. the views of QCMA

as simply someone who's been around since the club began, please consider this for information purposes only

While you may feel you are perfectly safe, if the organizers do notice something that they feel should be corrected they will have to address it. The live course is simply not a place to hang out and visit. The waiver does NOT obsolve the track nor qcma of liability if a person was placed in a position where they may come to harm.

While I am confident the age of those people in question is NOT a factor in how they are treated. and the perception that they are being treated like children is simply just that. wether you are 16, 25,35 or 60 the tone will be the same.


Running an event against a clock and sunlight and trying to maintain a schedule IS frustrating and very challenging considering all the variables. When you do not get cooperation from the competitors to help run the event like they are required to do so it compounds. I agree it should never get to the point of yelling, some people would need work to corral this reaction - myself included.

- but its nothing new to anyone running they are required to marshall/help out between runs. Those simply are the rules.

Now on a side note Jordan - I've yelled at you enough over the years and damnit I'm not done yet, But thanks for noticing.

plus waivers rarely hold up in court very well.

ive asked lawyers before and waivers are an easy thing to bypass especially if someone is killed.

If you were killed somehow by a runaway car hitting you, your parents and family will sue and that waiver wont do dick all

corey wrote:

I don't see why the event was canceled even if there was like 5 drivers, you guys have profited off of every past event.
Its the least you coulda done for those guys that make the 2 hour journey just to attend and support the events. I feel bad for them.

I couldnt agree more. Like for me to drive up there and get told i have to turn around and drive another two or so hours home is crap! I even tried to get the test and tune thing going, but to get a membership and run the two hours was still 75 bucks. Way to support the sport and keep it growing, ESPECIALLY the week before the competition...

You had to drive all the way back? shit in that car gas mileage must not be great huh?

that sucks i cant believe they turned you away why would they if they can rent the track for 15$ for two hours why couldnt the 5 of you drift theyre not losing any money having you guys drift thats bullshit

Moneypits wrote:

You had to drive all the way back? shit in that car gas mileage must not be great huh?

that sucks i cant believe they turned you away why would they if they can rent the track for 15$ for two hours why couldnt the 5 of you drift theyre not losing any money having you guys drift thats bullshit

It was about two hundred dollars there and back in gas. Alas, I'm fucking pissed. Plus im down a whole day of practice for the upcoming event. Fucking gay.

Oldbugger wrote:

When you do not get cooperation from the competitors to help run the event like they are required to do so it compounds. I agree it should never get to the point of yelling, some people would need work to corral this reaction - myself included.

- but its nothing new to anyone running they are required to marshall/help out between runs. Those simply are the rules.

As stated earlier, Corey and myself were more than willing to help out, and tried to several times yet were turned away.

Also, why exactly was the event cancelled? Every other event had like 12+ drivers did they not? Would this not have profitted enough to compensate for taking a loss on one event? And, as Keenan mentioned, its one week before an event, at which QCMA is most likely going to come ahead by a large amount of money.

I think it would be interesting to see a breakdown of the costs that are associated with hosting a practice.

im sorry, but i dont think its 15$ for 2 hours on the track. that just seems way to cheap

raboyto2 wrote:

im sorry, but i dont think its 15$ for 2 hours on the track. that just seems way to cheap

It is, If you are a member of an affiliated club. I was told this by the track owners. its a "test and tune" deal. But, I was already running thin on the budget for the practice, And couldnt afford the cost of the membership and the test and tune fees.

I really feel thats its more a slap to the face from the guys in charge out there. especially when the event is next weekend, and they will be making even more money from me, and a bunch of the toon guys. /Shakes head

Jhall wrote:

For me its not even the rules, its the bitching. Especially autox, takes the fun out of it when many of the higher ups, are yelling at everyone and freaking out about everything. Takes the FUN out of something we all do for FUN.

And as for the the standing out in the field, i thought by paying and signing a waver we are then responsible for ourselves? and you obviously have to be smart about, every time people were standing out in the field and there was an "issue" they were standing in place were the cars were not even running. The cars had to turn away from the standing point. I might as well bring my mom out there to yell at me when she thinks im in danger, we pay, we sign wavers,I just want to know at what point do we get to be treated as adults?

Sorry if this offends anyone, but im kinda ticked and don't even enjoy going anymore, which is a problem because this stuff is important to me

I think you'll find that when you are actively involved in the event helping it run smoothly as a competitor by being staged in advance, being aware of when the marshal changes are and heading out when you are supposed to, and helping others to do the same that there is no yelling.

For reference I am THE higher up when it comes to QCMA competitions, and I don't recall yelling anything at events other than "Driver's Meeting!" "Marshall Change!" and "Car ON Course!"

I can tell you from experience QCMA is the LEAST officious racing organization I am a part of, and I do have some experience in that regard- I have raced stock cars locally, I am a 2 time western Canadian road racing champion, and I have experience driving NASCAR.

If you want to be a part of any organized motorsport you need to learn and deal with the rules, if you want to have fun with organized motorsports you need to learn and deal with people.

Here's the dirty little secret of racing (and all sports for that matter) - it is all organized, competed by and hosted by PEOPLE! People have good days and bad days; they have emotions, lapses of judgment, and write ridiculous rules. This applies to QMCA and all the way up the ladder to F1... check the latest F1 news for CLEAR evidence of that. If you aren’t prepared to deal with people you're going to have a tough slug. As competition director I don't agree with everything that goes on at events, and lots of times things don't got eh RIGHT way, but I will back a overzealous volunteer acting in the name of safety before an under cautious competitor acting in the name of fun any day. When it’s your name signing the incident reports you'll do the same.


One last note in that regard- QCMA is a VOLUNTEER organization, if you don't like what is happening volunteer to do it better/differently. 10 years ago there was no active sanctioning body for slalom, rally or rally cross in Regina. A group of people stepped up said this is a legitimate sport and a hell of a lot of fun and we want to do it. Rules were made, paperwork was filed, and now QCMA exists. 3 years ago there was NO drifting, a group of people stepped up and said this is a legitimate sport and a hell of a lot of fun we want to do it. Rules were made, insurance put in place, and now we drift!




As to this event being cancelled yes it licks balls, however when I received the call on what was to be done it was well past the posted start time for the event and the volunteers outnumbered the competitors almost 2 to 1. I sincerely apologize to the competitor from Saskatoon, I have towed my rig to cancelled events and it’s no fun. That being said if you burned $200 in gas going to Regina and back you need a mechanic! Thats 6.5MPG... my 440 powered motor home pulling a 10000lb trailer got better than that.

There has been discussion within QCMA about doing pre-registration for events to avoid circumstances like this, and it will likely be brought up at tomorrow's meeting. All our general meetings are open to the public, and although you won't be allowed to vote on matters without a membership you can definitely voice your concerns.

-Noel-
QCMA Competitions Director


P.S. Jhall- I'm sorry your mom yells at you, PM me for the name and number of a family councillor if you want to talk about it.

Vanquizor

As you are a leader of QCMA should you really be putting people down? shots at Jhall, pokey etc. are no way to run a business when you run a business you take criticism as this is all constructive criticism people voicing their opinions of their concerns and what they would like to see run differently.

Im glad you have all this experience racing but that doesnt mean you have experience with dealing with people.

because the drifting was a practice why couldnt it have been allowed to continue would you actually lose that much profit?

I agree with you and i hope you vote on the pre registration so that you may have peoples names and phone numbers should an event be cancelled they can be notified.

And from what it seems it was QCMA's doing in the first place to allow people to be on the track and other such actions and if they are unhappy about it they could voice that in a much different way then it sounds like it was handled. As you said the sport and organization is about dealing with people and by the recent posts no one from QCMA is doing that properly

I'm by no means the leader of QCMA, the paid members are. I am in charge of the competitions and ensuring they are run in a safe and efficient manner.

The event wasen't canceled on a profit basis, it was canceled due to lack of interest. It is unfair to ask people to stay around and organize an event when they outnimber the competitors.

As for the excess people on the track, thats a rules thing that cam from the track owners- not really alot we can do about that. Spectator areas are outside the track fence.


You're right it wasen't very PC of me but- pokey has a legitimate mechanical issue and Jordan kinda asked for it... besides he's a good shit and can take it.

My apologies, and Pokey next drift practice you make it to I'll cover your entry fee.

-Noel-

lol it runs a bit rich, I just didnt drive straight home. I took some really crazy valley roads to get some cool photos so i got something outta the day. The way my car sits, on the highway i cant stay out of boost. Its just the way the gearing is set i suppose. On average, My car will burn about 120 bucks there and back, and remember now, premium is around 1.20ish. Besides that shit. Its nice of you to offer my fees next time.

Could you explain to me more how this 15 Dollar test and tune deal works? times? days?