I just wanna live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhDkZjKBEw

Very good video's but they don't talk about how this affects the rest of the world! (videos found on 306)

Seeing as the US has bailed out there bankers and business with billions of dollars with money borrowed from other country's to put them further in debt, at least it's not inflation where they would just print money and the price of everything goes up then money because worthless and they start over with a new form of money and your old money is only worth what you can heat your house with it while your burning it!!!!

We are long overdue for a major pandemic and when it happens i just hope it kills a lot of people that i don't know that aren't me or related to me or hopefully it just happens outside of Canada all together. Because im selfish like most everyone, and we can start over smart, with less people having less babies and less consumption because at the rate were going, it looks like were all going to be in a major recession with the value of everything decreasing so business's sell for less and make less and pay there workers less and everyone gets FUCKED hard!!!!!!! *********deflation is worse then inflation*****

hope this makes for good chat hahaha (basically there needs to be less people so i can keep doing the stuff i like to do and not have to worry about canada sending out good food and clean water, to countries that weren't responsible enough to make a one baby per family type of law. Except more strict then china's so that india for example isnt wall to wall with people that just want to eat)

PS: if whitepowerkid died i think we could accept one loss

meh some more fear mongering
everybody calm down!

laynehip wrote:

meh some more fear mongering
everybody calm down!

The US is already fucked they just delayed it by borrowing more money and probably will continue to due so until counties stop giving money that they will never get back (A huge epidemic of deflation has already happened in Europe so i don't think there is any fear mongering)

The population of the earth keeps raising everyday and there is only so much land and resources we can take up until your way or life or our food and construction resources are totally gone) but you can stay in your dreamworld if you like

places like Mexico city this summer are expected to have water shortages already (do you wanna ship off our water)

haha i like being a radical (i was playing fallout 3) but seriously this is how i feel

im not saying there isnt truth to it
but youtube videos like these are all about fear mongering
just like dateline

From: Daniel Mintz, MoveOn.org Political Action
Subject: 10 Things You've Gotta Know About Obama's Plan
Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:31 PM

Dear MoveOn member,
Want to see what change looks like? Real change?
Well, here it is. Last week, President Obama unveiled his budget—his blueprint for America—and it's ambitious, amazing, and unapologetically progressive. As Paul Krugman said, it will set America on a "fundamentally new course."1
President Obama called his budget "a threat to the status quo," and trust me, the status quo noticed. Oil companies, big banks and insurance companies are already mobilizing to stop it.2
Unfortunately, most folks don't realize how far-reaching and progressive the plan is—that's where we all come in.
Here are 10 really incredible things about Obama's plan. Check them out and then send them on to your friends and family so that millions of people will have the information they need to fight to make this vision a reality.

10 things you should know about Obama's plan (but probably don't)

The plan:
1. Makes a $634 billion down payment on fixing health care that will go a long way toward paying for a more efficient, more affordable health care system that covers every single American.3

2. Reduces taxes for 95% of working Americans. And if your family makes less than $250,000, your taxes won't go up one dime.4

3. Invests more than $100 billion in clean energy technology, creating millions of green jobs that can never be outsourced.5

4. Brings our troops home from Iraq on a firm timetable, finally bringing the war to a close—and freeing up almost ten billion dollars a month for domestic priorities.6

5. Reverses growing income inequality. The plan lets the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire and focuses on strengthening the middle class.7

6. Closes multi-billion-dollar tax loopholes for big oil companies.8

7. Increases grants to help families pay for college—the largest increase ever.9

8. Halves the deficit by 2013. President Obama inherited a legacy of huge deficits and an economy in shambles, but his plan brings the deficit under control as soon as the economy begins to recover.10

9. Dramatically increases funding for the SEC and the CFTC—the agencies that police Wall Street.11

10. Tells it straight. For years, budgets have used accounting tricks to hide the real costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush tax cuts, and too many other programs. Obama's budget gets rid of the smokescreens and lays out what America's priorities are, what they cost, and how we're going to pay for them.12

This is the change we voted for. President Obama has done his part, now we need to do ours.
–Daniel, Tanya, Peter, Justin and the rest of the team

P.S. Turns out there are way more than 10 amazing things in Obama's budget and we couldn't resist sharing just a few more.

1. Stops unnecessary government subsidies to big banks, health insurance companies and big agribusinesses.13,14,15

2. Expands access to early childhood education and improves schools by investing in programs that make sure every child has a qualified, strong teacher.16

3. Negotiates for better prescription drug prices using Medicaid's tremendous bargaining power.17

4. Expands access to family planning for low-income women.18

5. Caps the pollution that causes global warming, and makes polluters pay to support clean energy innovation.19

Sources:
1. "Climate of Change," The New York Times, February 27, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/op...rugman.html?em
2. "Obama Calls His Budget Sweeping, Needed Change," The New York Times, February 28, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51201&id=1...64-dj5QY6x&t=2
3. "Obama Offers Broad Plan to Revamp Health Care," The New York Times, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51202&id=1...64-dj5QY6x&t=3
4. "Obama Expects Fight Over $3.55 Trillion Budget Plan," Bloomberg News, February 28, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51203&id=1...64-dj5QY6x&t=4
5. "Energy Budget Is Sunlight After Eight Years of Darkness," Center for American Progress, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51204&id=1...64-dj5QY6x&t=5
6. "The Economic Cost of War in Iraq and Afghanistan," The New York Times, March 1, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/we...w/01glanz.html
7. "Tax Cuts," The New York Times, February 26, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/wa...27web-tax.html
8. "Energy Budget Is Sunlight After Eight Years of Darkness," Center for American Progress, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51204&id=1...64-dj5QY6x&t=6
9. "Student Loans," The New York Times, February 26, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/wa...27web-edu.html
10. "Obama unveils budget blueprint," CNN, February 26, 2009
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/26/budget/
11. "Obama budget would boost SEC, CFTC, FBI," Reuters, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51205&id=1...64-dj5QY6x&t=7
12. "Obama's budget," Los Angeles Times, February 27, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51206&id=1...64-dj5QY6x&t=8
13. "Student Loans," The New York Times, February 26, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/wa...27web-edu.html
14. "Health Insurance Stocks Dive on Medicare Advantage Cuts," The Wall Street Journal, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51207&id=1...64-dj5QY6x&t=9
15. "Agriculture," The New York Times, February 26, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/wa...7web-agri.html
16. "Investing Wisely in Our Children," Center for American Progress, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51208&id=1...4-dj5QY6x&t=10
17. "Obama Offers Broad Plan to Revamp Health Care," The New York Times, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51202&id=1...4-dj5QY6x&t=11
18. "Obama Offers Broad Plan to Revamp Health Care," The New York Times, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51202&id=1...4-dj5QY6x&t=12
19. "Setting 'Green' Goals," The New York Times, February 26, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51209&id=1...4-dj5QY6x&t=13


There's something for you to read. Now consider where you stand on the US getting themselves out of debt and never returning the money back to the countried they borrowded it from

well im not going to read through any of that so COOL i guess (mind telling me about it)

All i have to say is nothing is 100% green (like a hybrid car for example is worse for the environment then a gas motor or diesel because the dirty copper mining for the batteries) the only solution is less people to consume the planet so it can recover every year or at least put back what we take)

JSharp wrote:

All i have to say is nothing is 100% green (like a hybrid car for example is worse for the environment then a gas motor or diesel because the dirty copper mining for the batteries) the only solution is less people to consume the planet so it can recover every year or at least put back what we take)

It is more "expensive" to produce the batteries for hybrid cars than it is to hun a hummer H2 for 100,000 kms.
Yet I completely agree with you.

If you notice, the vehicles of today are not getting much better milage than tehy were in the 80's. But if you look at it another way, the vehicles today have grown in many ways, weight, size, displacement, power, ect ect. So the milage has definatley improved, considering what they are moving around.

There are many other options to hybrid power, hydrogen for example. But, we humans will continue to use fossil fuels until there are none remaining.
deal with it

MarshalR wrote:

JSharp wrote:

All i have to say is nothing is 100% green (like a hybrid car for example is worse for the environment then a gas motor or diesel because the dirty copper mining for the batteries) the only solution is less people to consume the planet so it can recover every year or at least put back what we take)

It is more "expensive" to produce the batteries for hybrid cars than it is to hun a hummer H2 for 100,000 kms.
Yet I completely agree with you.

If you notice, the vehicles of today are not getting much better milage than tehy were in the 80's. But if you look at it another way, the vehicles today have grown in many ways, weight, size, displacement, power, ect ect. So the milage has definatley improved, considering what they are moving around.

There are many other options to hybrid power, hydrogen for example. But, we humans will continue to use fossil fuels until there are none remaining.
deal with it

yeah like old hondas get better mileage then new ones (because of weight and simplicity)

MarshalR wrote:

JSharp wrote:

All i have to say is nothing is 100% green (like a hybrid car for example is worse for the environment then a gas motor or diesel because the dirty copper mining for the batteries) the only solution is less people to consume the planet so it can recover every year or at least put back what we take)

It is more "expensive" to produce the batteries for hybrid cars than it is to hun a hummer H2 for 100,000 kms.
Yet I completely agree with you.

If you notice, the vehicles of today are not getting much better milage than tehy were in the 80's. But if you look at it another way, the vehicles today have grown in many ways, weight, size, displacement, power, ect ect. So the milage has definatley improved, considering what they are moving around.

There are many other options to hybrid power, hydrogen for example. But, we humans will continue to use fossil fuels until there are none remaining.
deal with it

i have no problem with that (i just want less people on the planet to share with cause im selfish and the earth cant support soon up to 8 billion people)

the world just needs more environmental engineers

bahrx7 wrote:

the world just needs more environmental engineers

oh haii!

JSharp wrote:

PS: if whitepowerkid died i think we could accept one loss

umm lmfao

Well this is fairly grown up thread.

I like how they refuse to call this economic crisis what it is. They come up with fancy sugar coated catch phrases instead if just saying recession or perhaps even depression... 2.0 that is.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely" That explains a lot about the current economic state of the U.S. Yes it is over simplified statement but maybe the best way to think about. There are certain flaws of within the current ideological state that have led it to where they are today.

Chomsky may be a little far reaching for some, but he does make an excelled point about how %10 of the population makes all the decisions that effect the other %90 of the population. This consolidated power of the upper %10 has results in some very biased decisions being made to further increase the gap between the "have" and "have nots."

Who is to blame? It is both groups as %90 of the population allows the %10 to rule with full consent.

The "Credit Crunch" was a long time coming, probably since the late 80's. The U.S government had safeties and rules put in place to prevent things like this from happening. These rules were established after the first great depression but the ruling %10 found that these rules stifled their possibility for higher returns, so they removed the safety.

I went to go see Naomi Klein after the bail was first put forward and she helped to put a lot of this into perspective.

As far as a world wide epidemic to decrease the surplus population. Well Scrooge, that would probably just make things worse.Think of how much that would effect the economy especially in Canada.

To build on Marshal's post maybe it is not best to start over but rather re-structure. This is one of those times in history where every thing can change and hopefully it does.

or like the many recessions we have had since the great depression everything will be perfectly fine
whats a couple consecutive quarters of negative gdp anyway. peanuts. (haha i know were probably fucked but still)

but fuck the restructuring of our society
i for one would like to think meritocracy and equality of opportunity are still alive and well in the western society and capitalism and the free market rules!
i dont want to go back to a hunting and gathering society
and i sure as hell dont want equality of condition

There is some economists predicting everybody will come out of this just fine in a year or two!!!!
actually some are saying 3/4 of the way through this year the market will rise back up to where it was previously
go teck cominco ltd!

laynehip wrote:

i for one would like to think meritocracy and equality of opportunity are still alive and well in the western society and capitalism and the free market rules!

Really aren't you like a Punk... all like Hardcore logo and Eff the establishment. What do you take in school? Are you an admin kid? I guess you do drive an audi. figures.

Anyway, their can be a restructure it does not have to be extreme, I was thinking just more in the way of Socialist ideals. In my own half formed opinion I really think that Capitalism is flawed, and the things that you mentioned are only really to keep up appearances, but non-existent in reality.

Unless you were being sarcastic, then I missed that. and in that case my bad.

1eightySX wrote:

laynehip wrote:

i for one would like to think meritocracy and equality of opportunity are still alive and well in the western society and capitalism and the free market rules!

Really aren't you like a Punk... all like Hardcore logo and Eff the establishment.

haha what!

but in all seriousness
i think too that capitalism has its flaws
but i wouldnt want to lose the ability to be able to think of a great idea for a service or a good and be able to incorporate myself and take my service or product globally and try to maximize profit.
as long as i am maximizing my profit in an ethical and socially responsible manner i would say its a good thing.
And if that turns into a billion dollar corporation and the people involved become billionaires, just because there richer than 90% of the population i dont think that makes them villians.

laynehip wrote:

1eightySX wrote:

laynehip wrote:

i for one would like to think meritocracy and equality of opportunity are still alive and well in the western society and capitalism and the free market rules!

Really aren't you like a Punk... all like Hardcore logo and Eff the establishment.

haha what!

but in all seriousness
i think too that capitalism has its flaws
but i wouldnt want to lose the ability to be able to think of a great idea for a service or a good and be able to incorporate myself and take my service or product globally and try to maximize profit.
as long as i am maximizing my profit in an ethical and socially responsible manner i would say its a good thing.
And if that turns into a billion dollar corporation and the people involved become billionaires, just because there richer than 90% of the population i dont think that makes them villians.

Agreed, but as history has all two often illustrated it does not happen that way. We have seen the empowered cheat and lie for the sake of greed and self achievement. My real concern is that the rich get richer and the poor stay impoverished. I dislike that ones economics will for the most part determine the social placement and that of future generations. I was going to spare you the cliches but look at former president Bush... how did a man like that reach one of the most powerful positions in the world? The answer is money, meaning it is true you can be whatever you want to be when you grow up as long as your parents got the funds to back it. There are exceptions to the rule but I find that the norm is usually not the positive end of capitalism.

I kind of went of a bit. But like I was saying I agree if people make the dough ethically and run their show ethically that is great but all too often ethicks take a back seat to greed. I would like to see a more socially responsible world and even that would be a slight shift from what has come before.

....As the TSX drops 400 points. Ha.
I'd put something else but class is about to start. But an article I read recently said bushs emotional intelligence took him to the top (ability to remember everyones name) lawlz

That is cool I am pretty sure only you and I are the only ones reading this thread. Lets just say nothing is perfect.

woooord up
and just for the record i didnt agree with that article about bush and his emotional intelligence